<HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) [Netscape]"> <TITLE>500 Internal Server Error</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> From: "H.M.Hubey" <hubeyh@montclair.edu> <BR>Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.lang <BR>Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars <BR>Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:51:29 -0500 <BR>Organization: Montclair State University <P>Robert character wrote: <BR>> <BR>> The Hubey character also made a reference to there being evidence <BR>> of Turkic peoples on the Volga as early as the 2nd century B.C., if I <BR>> recall correctly. If so, this wouldn't have been the original component <BR>> of the Bulgars, who, as you know, have been archaeologically traced to <P>Doerfer's reconstruction of ProtoTurkic has *d > *c > c > y. <BR>In many cases the Sumerian words are closer to s, or sh and are thus <BR>closer in sound to c. There is evidence for d-bolgaric. Runic writings <BR>in the North CAucasus have proven it. The words, dilom, daga, der, etc <BR>do show up in d-bolgaric. One cannot make strong statements regarding <BR>language of people using archeaology. Most people who write on this <BR>have no idea of the latest developments. <P>There is no evidence for Bulgaric anywhere except the west. The other <BR>Turkic language which is far off from others Khaladj is also in the west. <BR>Furthermore we see the r disappearing in Central Asia from the first time <BR>we see the writing. Instead of "ersem" today the languages are "esem". <BR>So it is pointless to try to prove that z-turkic became r-turkic via <BR>rhotacization. All the evidence points in the other direction. Turks (or <BR>at least one of their ancestors) got to Asia late. The problem is that <BR>historically and even today, "turkic" is identified with Mongoloid <BR>peoples and hence is always put beyond the Altays. <P>> the Pamirs during this period. As you mention above, it seems they were <BR>> turkicized on the Volga by an existing population as they were <BR>> slavicized on the Danube. <BR>> <BR>> Robert <P>-- <BR>Best Regards, <BR>Mark <BR>-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= <BR>hubeyh@montclair.edu =-=-=-= http://www.csam.montclair.edu/~hubey <BR>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= <BR> </BODY> </HTML>